February 2013 Presentation

This Generation of Students Is the Future of Texas!
Presentation team:
◦ Patricia G. (Pat) Bubb, Executive Director, RGV LEAD
◦ Martha Gutierrez, P-16 Council Coordinator,
◦ Norma Salazar, Director of Student Success, TSTC
Harlingen (immediate past Higher Education Chair,
Lower Rio Grande Valley Counselors’ Network)
◦ Sandra Rodriguez, Career Counselor, Harlingen CISD
(immediate past Secondary Education Chair, Lower Rio
Grande Valley Counselors’ Network)
The Counselors’ Network Connection
Transition Counseling:
What We’ve Done to Date
The Message We’re Conveying
Response in Our Region
Application in Harlingen Career Center Project
Our Plans for “Next Steps”
Implications for Other Councils
The Counselors’ Network Connection:
◦ Current Chairs:
 Higher Education: Larry Barroso, South Texas College
 Secondary Education: Valerie Paredes, Harlingen CISD
◦ Immediate Past Chairs:
 Higher Education: Norma Salazar, Texas State Technical
 Secondary Education: Sandra Rodriguez, Harlingen CISD
Meets jointly with P-16 Council, with GenTX
blended into agendas
P-16 Regional Outreach & Counseling
Leadership Team meets thereafter
First-ever transition counseling conference
was planned by P-16 Regional Outreach &
Counseling Leadership Team and hosted by
UTPA in April 2012
Response indicated the content met a need!
Planned together again, incorporating strands
into RGV LEAD’s Regional Conference in
December 2012
The message is important! Most recently
shared at regional conference in December
Event was at South Padre Island on December 6-7, 2012
Transition Counseling Sessions focused on 3 Critical Areas:
Programs of Study
(One Session)
Effective Advisement
Financial Aid (One Session)
Introduction of POS begins at the middle school level
Stress importance of following a POS that will lead to a
certificate/degree, rather than taking courses that lead to
Students need to be aware of the process for redeeming or
“cashing in” ATC credits (Advanced Technical Credit courses)
upon college enrollment (award of ATC credits for CTE resembles
award of AP credits for academics)
Participating post-secondary institutions need to have a
designated office to which students can go and “cash in” ATC
credits (Admissions, Student Success, Dual Enrollment Office,
Registrar, etc.).
Sharing the Knowledge-It is important is that secondary partners,
as well as students, are aware of the office location. A contact
matrix was disseminated during session.
Students need to understand how they can earn credits under
a Program of Study (Ex. Through Dual Enrollment courses,
Concurrent Enrollment Courses, AP Credits & Advanced
Technical Credit courses)
A common problem is that students may graduate from high
school with ATC credits that do not align with their major (Ex.
Student took CNA Advanced Technical Credit courses in high
school, but majors in Dental Hygiene when she enrolls in
Other problems include: 1) student not realizing he/she is
taking a course that carries potential credit, 2) student
forgets to “cash in” credits and may end up retaking the
course, and 3) student may not be familiar with the process
to “cash in” ATC credits
Handout shared during
P-16 Council Meeting
and Transition
Information is also
posted on TSTC
Achieve Texas webpage
Dual Enrollment Vs. ATC
Students/Parents need to understand the difference between
Dual-Enrollment credits vs ATC credits
Also need to understand the impact of Dual Enrollment and
ATC grades on a college transcript
Dual Enrollment grades reflect on a permanent college
transcript, whereas ATC grades count only if students (1) get
a B on the course and (2) “cash in” the credits upon college
enrollment and meet other ATC criteria
Administrators, counselors, parents, and students should
familiarize themselves with college/university scholastic
policies and procedures (Six-Drop Rule, “No Show,
suspension policies, drop deadlines, etc.)
New Student Orientation vs. College orientation for students
enrolling in Dual Enrollment, Concurrent Enrollment, and ATC credit
When planning and following a POS/Degree Plan, students need to
know Admissions criteria, processes, university scholastic policies,
etc., which will help them determine if they are ready to apply or will
have to wait another year. (Will Dual Credit courses be accepted? Will
credits at a community college transfer to the university of
preference? When does a program cohort begin?) ONE SIZE DOES
DAP Measures vs. College requirements—how do you reconcile?
Important for students to know Scholastic Standing Policies such as
Good Standing, Scholastic Probation, Scholastic Suspension) and how
Dual Credit Courses can impact your college scholastic standing (Ex.:
A high school junior can be placed on scholastic suspension at the
college level which can prevent him or her from progressing
through his/her POS).
It is important that students, parents, educators, and administrators are
aware of federal financial aid policies, such as Standards of Academic
Progress or Satisfactory Academic Progress. They also need to be aware
of institutional financial aid policies.
-Ex.: How does Completion Rate (hours successfully completed divided
by hours attempted) factor into financial aid?
-What is the Completion Rate requirement for the college of choice?
At UTB-a student’s Completion Rate must be 70% , while at TSTC it
must be 67%.
Important to understand the Impact of poor/failing grades on financial
aid eligibility
Important to understand Financial Aid standing (Ex. Good Status,
Warning Status, Suspension Status, and Probation Status) and how it
affect a student’s college admission.
Steven earned 3 ATC credits and 6 Dual Technical
Credits while in high school, all of which lead to a
certificate or Associate degree in Drafting and Design at
the local college. However, after participating in a
summer camp, he decides to enroll in Culinary Arts
after graduating from high school.
1) What happens to his ATC credits?
2) Do the Dual Technical Credits affect his financial aid
3) If so, in what way since he is now declaring a new
Program of Study/Major?
After high school graduation, Ramiro was excited to
begin college. He knew college would be different
from high school, but he was ready to study. He
scheduled an appointment to meet with a college
academic advisor and was informed he had a 1.87
GPA because two dual/concurrent enrollment courses
he thought he had dropped were on his college
transcript as “F” grades. He also discovered he had
taken three classes (nine credits) which he didn’t
need for a major in nursing.
Evaluations were positive: this event met a
need for our region.
The work done so far is only the beginning.
Individual school districts have begun
requesting sessions, and plans to meet that
need are being developed now.
We utilized the “Top 10 List” in a “Passport”
developed especially for a project funded
by Harlingen EDC.
Harlingen EDC has funded a Harlingen Career
Center Project for RGV LEAD for several years.
On January 22, this team came together for
an 8th Grade College and Career Fair hosted
by Harlingen CISD
The partners presenting today worked
together on that event for 8th grade students
and parents.
Utilized the Transition Counseling event “Top
10 List” in a Passport distributed at that
As a result of the information shared during
Transition Counseling sessions, some school
districts have expressed an interest in having
transition counseling training for their faculty and
P-16 Regional Outreach & Counseling Leadership
Team discussed that request and strategized
solutions to meet that need.
There is no substitute for the session with all
higher education partners participating; however,
the team is working on a presentation that one or
two partners can share to represent the group as a
whole—encouraging participation in the 2013
regional conference.
The needs we’re addressing are compelling
and urgent!
When students create college transcripts in
high school, they need to make informed
decisions! The message is important!
We’re sharing what we’ve done to encourage
other Councils to adapt the concept … doing
so may meet needs that students and the
educators who work with them may not even
know they have!
Final thoughts
Questions? Comments?
For additional information:
Norma Salazar: [email protected]
Sandra Rodriguez: [email protected]
Patricia G. (Pat) Bubb: [email protected]
Martha Gutierrez:
[email protected]

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